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apexblue · Joined: 10 Sep 2008 Posts: 1434 Location: UK

Which is most reliable (if any)?
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e-richard · Joined: 17 Oct 2004 Posts: 3161 Location: Algarve, Portugal

Actually thats not quite the right question.

Outlook is not an email provider, its just an email client that you can use with any of the other providers.

Missing from your list is but probably #1 or #2 in popularity may well be "your own domain" if you are interested in providers.

Unless the question is "How do you read your email ?"

Explanation:
An email client is the application in which you read/write/store your email. Often it comes with the Provider on the Web, but for example, one can use Google as an email provider, but read/write all your emails in Outlook
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HelenB · Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:41 am Post subject:

I've been using Gmail almost since it was first available, and I realised that email on the web would solve all my problems, enable me to contact enquirers quickly. At the time, I worked in different places each day, and could check out emails at lunchtime. It is very reliable, and I've had only a few stray emails in five years, mainly due to the recipients email not liking links.
I also have domain email addresses which all forward to Gmail. You can also reply from gmail using your domain addresses and forward the reply to your domain server.

Bob Apt · Joined: 04 Feb 2009 Posts: 96

Hi,
Maybe not the right place or time but a serious question regarding e-mail providers.
I personally always look at NON provider ie @btconnect.com or domain based addresses as non attributable
and slightly less credible both for myself and from potential guests.

(Unless I am wrong, it is impossible to connect the sender with a residential address of service)
I just find use of Gmail etc slightly contrary to the ever present 'security and validation' argument.

Do these providers genuinely offer more facilities to users, other than not needing a 'mainstream' broadband provider.
(unless that addition is actually the annonimity)

For my part, I always use domain mail or service provider address for what 'I' percieve as traceability.......

No expert....have I got this wrong??

Bobapt

J B · Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:18 pm Post subject:

As Richard says - maybe you need to ask the correct question Rolling Eyes

There are several e mail *readers* Micro$oft have Outlook and also it's 'free edition' which used to be called Outlook Express, then Windows Mail, now Windows Live Mail
Mozilla make Thunderbird
These are the main two 'mail reading programs' which are based on your computer.

Another way of reading e mails is to access them through the providers website
eg
Hotmail
G Mail
etc

I personally use Thunderbird to download my e mails
My main e mails come from my own domain, which I purchased from 1&1, but I also download my gmail, plusnet and onetel e mails to Thunderbird.

Does that help you at all with your question???
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Essar · Joined: 12 Jun 2011 Posts: 566 Location: Bournemouth

Bob Apt

You have a point - mail from you own domain does give credibility. I also believe that if use a carrier that provides your telephony/broadband/etc (ie BT) then that also is a credible source. But like anything "e" it's all open to abuse.

I personally now use and publicise my BT address on our websites even though I have a redirect set up on all my domain emails.

Since I switched from Ukonline for emails to BT when it was bought up and incorporated into Hotmail I do have a few stability problems, odd PDF attachments coming out as code rather than a document (a resend usually solves it) and the odd email going to users spam folder (tired removing links makes no difference) it just seems to be recipients end.

I do use Outlook 2010 now and although there are some "features" I dislike it does the job perfectly well linking in/out with my accommodation management system seamlessly.

I use my domain email addresses (unlimited on each domain) for user names on free ad sites, so if they do ever flog on your details you know roughly where it's coming from and I can stop it without jeopardising my "proper" email address. I do keep a spreadhsheet of the ones I use and where. From the domain list below (not exhaused) I have quite a few I use this way.

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www.one-one80.co.uk
www.seven-bluewater.co.uk
www.bournemouthselfcatering.com
www.selfcateringbournemouth.net
www.holidayletsbournemouth.com
www.bournemouthwinterlets.com

HelenB · Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:05 am Post subject:

Bob, were I to send you an email from Gmail, using my domain address, it would appear to have been sent from the domain, and not from Gmail, what is not creditable about that? I use Gmail rather than Outlook or other computer based email programme because I am not fortunate enough to be at home all day. Gmail means I can reply to enquiries from work at lunchtime.

Bob Apt · Joined: 04 Feb 2009 Posts: 96

Hi Helen, absolutely nothing wrong with that........it's why I asked the question.
If an owner is using Gmail as the server for a 'traceable' e-mail address the receiver is none the wiser.
The added service for yourself is that you can use third party receivers to read/send mail when away from home.
I was not seeking to be contentious....I really do want to know if gmail etc holds any benefits I am not using.

I had put down the increasing number of guest enquiries using these 'free' servers as being connected to i-phone/pad use.

I use outlook express with my BTdomain at home and when mobile with vodafone uk/es and masmovil servers (on pop) without any problem that I am aware of.......
So a purely personal interest in the 'missing' bt mail bit

Bob

mummygeek · Joined: 05 Sep 2009 Posts: 5 Location: Orihuela Costa

Seems like an appropriate place to post this...

I have perhaps found a real reason why our bookings are down this year and it's to do with the increasing ferociousness of junk filters that send my replies to 'junk' leaving my enquirer thinking that I have just not bothered to reply.

Using OwnersDirect the enquirer contacts me through the site and so does not send an email to my domain. Therefore my reply is highly likely to be junked by the enquirer's email service having not conversed with me before.

I have contacted OD about this just to see if they can come up with any ideas. (I've suggested they give their owners an ownersdirect domain email to use !)

I use my own domain which of course reflects my website, all very credible but may now reply to all enquiries using my gmail domain but of course even that is not going to be foolproof.

any ideas anyone ?
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e-richard · Joined: 17 Oct 2004 Posts: 3161 Location: Algarve, Portugal

The best answer to this problem is to make Spamming and Phishing an international capital offence. I cannot make up my mind whether stoning or beheading is more appropriate ?

Whatever solution we come up with so this scum of the earth will find ways to get around it and inevitably the spam blockers will just get more and more vigorous.
This downward spiral has only one outcome and that is the death of email as a business tool, and we'll just go back 20 years and start using the phone again. Evil or Very Mad

Wish I could be more constructive.
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Greenbarn · Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:46 am Post subject:

Nemo · Joined: 14 Aug 2008 Posts: 3146 Location: Norfolk

How do you think them up GB....... Cool

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Jimbo · Joined: 19 Oct 2006 Posts: 3097 Location: Perigord noir

I'm shortly to undertake a root and branch rethink of my computer system and I've been thinking about email clients and reading this thread again.

I've always used Outlook, mainly because it's always been there. Presently, as I'm office-based, I have no particular need to use a web based system (although that might change). Given that I'm familiar with Outlook and it does the job, is there any reason to change to another system? Several people I know speak warmly of Thunderbird? And would a web-system offer any advantages over Outlook, even if I'm office-based?

Would welcome any advice.

Jim

J B · Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:59 pm Post subject:

Outlook costs money whereas Thunderbird doesn't

Outlook is made by Micro$oft, whereas Thunderbird isn't

Are those enough reasons? Laughing

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