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EPCs needed for holiday lets in England & Wales from Jul
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We paid £50 but we gave her the keysafe number and let her get on with it. She was excellent, went in at a time that impacted on nobody and sent us the details via email.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have just had a very illuminating conversation with Devon Trading Standards.

I have been told definitively that EPC's will not be needed for holiday lets, only for properties on which a tenancy has been agreed - ie, not a rental for the purposes of holiday accommodation. However, long lets, eg winter lets, will require an EPC on the property.

They were at pains to point out that this relates just to Devon and that other Trading Standards offices may chose to interpret the guidelines differently.

I'm therefore quite glad I didn't fork out the cash for another useless piece of paper!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:30 pm    Post subject: EPCs Reply with quote

That's interesting because I have just had a similar conversation with Devon TS. Can't believe that the DCLG tree huggers won't give in without a fight though. However, certainly worth waiting rather than taking the advice of the EPC provider panic mongers. I wonder if those who took the bait will be able to get their money back.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just been told 10 year EPC's MAY be reduced to 3 years.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really? What next.....!

I'm fortunate that I have one already, but I think I would be ignoring all this until it's sorted like a good ostrich!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nemo wrote:


I'm fortunate that I have one already, but I think I would be ignoring all this until it's sorted like a good ostrich!


I'm wondering if it's going to take a test case to settle it, with EASCO wading in with their QC's opinion that the imposition of EPC's on holiday rentals is unlawful under the existing legislation.

Would everyone then get a refund of the expenses they'd incurred getting an EPC? Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It needs some form of legal case to sort this out as both EASCO's legal opinion and Trading Standards, Devon in particular, believe the 'legislation' to be flawed. Most people would have got their EPC's after listening to EPC providers who, lets face it, needed the work. However, reading some of their publicity, I think they came very close to asking for money under false pretences.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just seen this thread, got a EPC this week and have posted my experience here
http://www.laymyhat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15216
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:50 pm    Post subject: EPC Reply with quote

We've just been through VisitEngland accrediation (21st June) and the Accreditor Person told us that they have been told to ignore them for the moment, after having been told in April that they would be compulsory after June 22nd. Local trading standards (B'Mouth) say not required until legislation is sorted out. Both my properties are fairly recent new builds so we have them anyway.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still sitting on my hands & waiting to see on this one!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Parliament Considers EPC Issue
.by English Association of Self Catering Operators on Thursday, July 21, 2011 at 8:31pm.Andrew Stevenson, MP for Pendle, said last Tuesday in the House of Commons: That brings me on to the question of who we class as a “tenant”. During the debate on 14 June, the Under-Secretary made the point that the way in which the DCLG was interpreting the European directive was that people renting the cottages in this country were “tenants”. That view has been robustly rejected by the English Association of Self Catering Operators, which has obtained a 16-page Queen’s counsel’s opinion on this matter.



Bill Wiggin MP for the Government stated that: "I have investigated this and it seems to be a classic case of gold-plating. We have made inquiries to establish the position in other European Union countries and it seems that, as my hon. Friend said, EPCs are not required for holiday lets in a number of other member states, including Germany, Sweden and Denmark—he also mentioned France and Scotland. It gives me great pleasure to tell the House that we should have a clearly defined position on this within the next few weeks."



This seems to hint that progress may be on the way.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the update apex.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely not some common sense? Shome mishtake surely? Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bump Razz

No further news I assume? Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mark Prisk MP, Minister of State at the Department for Business and Enterprise, has confirmed in a letter to EASCO that the government will not require an EPC for a holiday home unless there is a tenancy created. The distinguishing factor will therefore be whether a tenancy exists, and this is a matter of law. In a normal holiday home rental situation there is no tenancy. The EASCO standard terms and conditions, which are available for members only to use, have been judged by our QC as constituting a licence, not a tenancy


So who do we ask for a refund from?
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