BBC iPlayer abroad (+ UK ITV, Channel 4 etc; US/Canadian TV)
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Rocket Rab
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Pretty dreadful for us, too.La Vache wrote:Just watched the place in the sun thing on Corsica. You must get terribly bored with all that sun, blue sky, gorgeous beaches and beautiful scenery, Paul, non?
Only 300 - 330 sunny days per year here so not the best in the world, or even France ?
www.the-france-page.com/france/annual-hours-of-sun.html
But I love it !
However, I used to live in Sweden. Maybe I deserve a bit of sun ?
Peter
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Watching is not a problem - only if you are downloading and your package is limited.Big Sis.. wrote:http://www.gm.tv/index.cfm?articleid=24 ... _gmtv_1680
Just a note of caution if youre watching tv shows on your computer.this was on Breakfast Telly today!!
Real name Phil
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Moved to France in 2004
Likes ducks, nature, gardening, furniture restoration, DIY, rugby, blah, blah.
Sorry, Cassis, I think you are mistaken there. Watching does seriously use up your gigabytes.Cassis wrote:Watching is not a problem - only if you are downloading and your package is limited.
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Rocket Rab
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It Does Rabbit 
would I lie to you.... 
which is why i posted the link yesterday !!!
You can still watch it of course, just make sure you upgrade if need be!!.as Cassis said. just check to be sure.......
would I lie to you.... which is why i posted the link yesterday !!!
You can still watch it of course, just make sure you upgrade if need be!!.as Cassis said. just check to be sure.......
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Rocket Rab
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Tsk. I'm not paying attention, I can see - will hop off and have another look.... 
how does this work with radio then ? the download watching bit - we have listened to bbc radios for months now using the iplayer, I know this is okay for radio abroard but does it download ? like the tv programs ? and use up your allowances ?
or do we just have a large allowance ? cos mrs p leaves it on all day sometimes
pete
or do we just have a large allowance ? cos mrs p leaves it on all day sometimes
pete
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LV, why does just watching use any upload?
I might have found the solution to this cap business, having just moved my laptop into a room I don't normally use, and with no broadband connection and finding I've got the fastest ever broadband WiFi signal thanks to our neighbour.
He's always got the biggest, fastest, most expensive etc. of anything (so he always tells us) but not quite sure how to handle this.
Is this a sin (2)? Discuss.
MG
I might have found the solution to this cap business, having just moved my laptop into a room I don't normally use, and with no broadband connection and finding I've got the fastest ever broadband WiFi signal thanks to our neighbour.
He's always got the biggest, fastest, most expensive etc. of anything (so he always tells us) but not quite sure how to handle this.
Is this a sin (2)? Discuss.
MG
Mountain Goat wrote:LV, why does just watching use any upload?
One senior BT insider said: 'The iPlayer is a so-called peer-to-peer system. Once you start using it, the BBC uses your computer to distribute its programmes to other people - you don't just download from the BBC, uploads go on all the time too. That really cuts into usage allowances.
Mountain Goat wrote:I might have found the solution to this cap business, having just moved my laptop into a room I don't normally use, and with no broadband connection and finding I've got the fastest ever broadband WiFi signal thanks to our neighbour.
MG
You can be prosecuted MG, be carefulhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4721723.stm
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This peer-to-peer business is important. I assume it only applies to downloading a film, say, to one's PC. Watching a streaming film doesn't involve any uploading?
But having downloaded the BBC download software, there was a setup option to allow peer-to-peer, which could mean (and technically I haven't a clue), that as long as you're connected to the internet, this peer-to-peer thing will suck up anything on your PC that someone else has requested.
In other words, RR (for example) booting up her PC before going to bed (:lol:) will mean that 5,600,000 other punters will start downloading her films through the night, and up to cap limit in no time.
Have I got the wrong end of the stick here?
Re stealing neighbour's broadband, a little notice saying this is a WiFi Free area will deal with that (triggers Mrs G's migraines). I think. Rather Ken Livingstonesque?
MG
is there WiFi in jail?
But having downloaded the BBC download software, there was a setup option to allow peer-to-peer, which could mean (and technically I haven't a clue), that as long as you're connected to the internet, this peer-to-peer thing will suck up anything on your PC that someone else has requested.
In other words, RR (for example) booting up her PC before going to bed (:lol:) will mean that 5,600,000 other punters will start downloading her films through the night, and up to cap limit in no time.
Have I got the wrong end of the stick here?
Re stealing neighbour's broadband, a little notice saying this is a WiFi Free area will deal with that (triggers Mrs G's migraines). I think. Rather Ken Livingstonesque?
MG
is there WiFi in jail?
this is quite explanatory
It seems as long as you don't download the iPlayer software and just watch on line, you use around 0.6MB for an hour's viewing. That sounds better to me - I've only got 1MB and with that little bandwidth would be unable to watch much at all if it was 320MB per hour as I previously quoted.
I'm sure there is wifi in jail, MG, if your KL trick doesn't wash with the cops!
It seems as long as you don't download the iPlayer software and just watch on line, you use around 0.6MB for an hour's viewing. That sounds better to me - I've only got 1MB and with that little bandwidth would be unable to watch much at all if it was 320MB per hour as I previously quoted.
I'm sure there is wifi in jail, MG, if your KL trick doesn't wash with the cops!
Time to get technical:
When you download a big file from the Internet a series of digital bitsandbobs thingies somes winging down your internet line and ends up as a big file on your hard drive.
When you watch a streaming video, a series of digital bitsandbobs thingies somes winging down your internet line and ends up in a viewer of sorts (e.g. RealPlayer or similar), but does not create a huge file on your hard drive.
When you listen to the radio on Internet, a series of digital bitsandbobs thingies somes winging down your internet line and ends up in a player of sorts (e.g. RealPlayer or similar), but does not create a big file on your hard drive.
Even when you read this post on LMH, a series of digital bitsandbobs thingies somes winging down your internet line and ends up in your browser so that you can read it.
Its this string of digital bitsandbobs thingies coming down the line from a server to your computer that is counted towards your download limit or cap regardless of where it ends up or what it looks like to you. Pictures, words, sounds are all the same - just a string of digital thingies, and your ISP couldn't care and cannot really tell what they are - the ISP just sees a series of digital 1s and 0s. I won't go into the detail of how you see them differently, but suffice to say, all that intelligence is on your computer and the ISP is not concerned (from a billing point of view).
Of interest is the point that it takes very few digital thingies to display this text in your browser, but takes gazillions more digital thingies to display just 1 minute of video in your chosen player, and in between, it takes quite a few digital thingies to play some sounds from the radio - far far fewer than video, but many more than text.
In the next installment we'll discuss peer-to-peer which throws up some new issues that I hadn't thought of.
When you download a big file from the Internet a series of digital bitsandbobs thingies somes winging down your internet line and ends up as a big file on your hard drive.
When you watch a streaming video, a series of digital bitsandbobs thingies somes winging down your internet line and ends up in a viewer of sorts (e.g. RealPlayer or similar), but does not create a huge file on your hard drive.
When you listen to the radio on Internet, a series of digital bitsandbobs thingies somes winging down your internet line and ends up in a player of sorts (e.g. RealPlayer or similar), but does not create a big file on your hard drive.
Even when you read this post on LMH, a series of digital bitsandbobs thingies somes winging down your internet line and ends up in your browser so that you can read it.
Its this string of digital bitsandbobs thingies coming down the line from a server to your computer that is counted towards your download limit or cap regardless of where it ends up or what it looks like to you. Pictures, words, sounds are all the same - just a string of digital thingies, and your ISP couldn't care and cannot really tell what they are - the ISP just sees a series of digital 1s and 0s. I won't go into the detail of how you see them differently, but suffice to say, all that intelligence is on your computer and the ISP is not concerned (from a billing point of view).
Of interest is the point that it takes very few digital thingies to display this text in your browser, but takes gazillions more digital thingies to display just 1 minute of video in your chosen player, and in between, it takes quite a few digital thingies to play some sounds from the radio - far far fewer than video, but many more than text.
In the next installment we'll discuss peer-to-peer which throws up some new issues that I hadn't thought of.
** Richard
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