I set up a .fr domaine recently (thanks to Clexane for his help!) and then submitted the URL to google.fr. However, so far, the URL is not recognised on a Google.fr search. I think when I set it up there was no guarantee for the length of time it would take to appear, or even that it would appear at all.
I know Google spiders other search engines, should I submit the new URL to others in the hope it will get picked up by Google?
Susan
Submitting new URL to Google
You need to get a link from a site that is already indexed by Google and the others. This will bring those engine's spiders to your site within days. They then come back within a couple of weeks and index the site.
However, Google will then put you in what is called its 'sandbox' for up to 9 months (if I remember correctly), which means that although you are 'in' Google, your site will not rank well for any searches.
Perhaps Google does this because if a site is still around after 9 months it is less likely to be a 'bad' site - spam, porn, etc. Or perhaps it is to discourage webmasters who devise ways to get straight to the top by illicit means.
Because you have to serve that period in the sandbox, if you are planning on a site, it is a good idea to buy the domain and put some basic text on the homepage, and link to it.
Here is an article on Google's sandbox.
However, Google will then put you in what is called its 'sandbox' for up to 9 months (if I remember correctly), which means that although you are 'in' Google, your site will not rank well for any searches.
Perhaps Google does this because if a site is still around after 9 months it is less likely to be a 'bad' site - spam, porn, etc. Or perhaps it is to discourage webmasters who devise ways to get straight to the top by illicit means.
Because you have to serve that period in the sandbox, if you are planning on a site, it is a good idea to buy the domain and put some basic text on the homepage, and link to it.
Here is an article on Google's sandbox.
Paolo
Lay My Hat
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Thanks Carole-Anne and Paolo,
Paolo said
Susan
Paolo said
Sorry Paolo, link to what? The new domain name simply points to my existing website (I thought it was nice and simple to do that), but should I be doing something different on the homepage of the new site? Have now submitted toYahoo & MSN too, will do some others as well.Because you have to serve that period in the sandbox, if you are planning on a site, it is a good idea to buy the domain and put some basic text on the homepage, and link to it.
Susan
Hi
just a couple of points :
The google directory is managed by DMOZ. Being listed by DMOZ seems to speed up the Google search listing.
Google robots scan webrings : this can also help with the google search listing
Inward links from sites having a higher page ranking can help
All is supposition and rumour of course. Search engines change their ranking formulas quite regularly.
Peter
just a couple of points :
The google directory is managed by DMOZ. Being listed by DMOZ seems to speed up the Google search listing.
Google robots scan webrings : this can also help with the google search listing
Inward links from sites having a higher page ranking can help
All is supposition and rumour of course. Search engines change their ranking formulas quite regularly.
Peter
DMOZ
What if I may ask is the trick to getting into DMOZ?
I have submitted my URL and waited and waited and waited...because you do not want to upset the DMOZ gods with resubmitting.
Anyone here have success in getting into DMOZ?
Renata
I have submitted my URL and waited and waited and waited...because you do not want to upset the DMOZ gods with resubmitting.
Anyone here have success in getting into DMOZ?
Renata
Renata Gozdziak
Chicago Illinois---Daytona Beach Florida
Chicago Illinois---Daytona Beach Florida
I think it depends very much on the directory... since it's human-edited, some people take a long time and others don't.
If you signed up to be an editor, could you add your own site? I wonder. I don't remember ever trying it (I was an editor for a while, but didn't have a site in that category).
If you signed up to be an editor, could you add your own site? I wonder. I don't remember ever trying it (I was an editor for a while, but didn't have a site in that category).
Brooke
Re: DMOZ
Waiting a very long time, at least 6 months. I submitted Lay My Hat last year and it is not listed.Renata wrote:What if I may ask is the trick to getting into DMOZ?
Paolo
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The thing with Google especially (which accounts for up to 85% of search engine traffic) is that it needs to qualify sites. There are various articles on the web about something known as sand boxing.
The theory goes that when you register your site on Google, they place you in a 'sandbox'. This means that they hold your site until it qualifies it has any value. This can take months. When they are satisfied, they will release your site and allow for more searchability.
One way around this (which unfortunately costs money), is to use Google AdWords (suprise suprise). This kind of unblocks the search restrictions but not to the maximum.
It does allow for your site to be found on not just google though as google also supply search facilties for many other 'search engines', which is why it is the most successful.
Getting onto search engines is very very difficult as your site has to have real value. Google are also very clever in that they change their algorithm (the way they judge sites) on a regular basis. So you may meet some of their criteria and then they change the rules and suddenly you can't find your site. Some of the key things I have found to be very important is:
1. Have a site that is very accessible and complies to W3 standards. - you can check this by going to http://validator.w3.org/ and validating your website.
2. Have relevant links going into, and away from, your site. Adds to the relevance.
I also agree with some of the other posts, stick to basic web rules and keep it simple. No gimmicky images, just plain pics and information structured in a good way - don't go over board.
The theory goes that when you register your site on Google, they place you in a 'sandbox'. This means that they hold your site until it qualifies it has any value. This can take months. When they are satisfied, they will release your site and allow for more searchability.
One way around this (which unfortunately costs money), is to use Google AdWords (suprise suprise). This kind of unblocks the search restrictions but not to the maximum.
It does allow for your site to be found on not just google though as google also supply search facilties for many other 'search engines', which is why it is the most successful.
Getting onto search engines is very very difficult as your site has to have real value. Google are also very clever in that they change their algorithm (the way they judge sites) on a regular basis. So you may meet some of their criteria and then they change the rules and suddenly you can't find your site. Some of the key things I have found to be very important is:
1. Have a site that is very accessible and complies to W3 standards. - you can check this by going to http://validator.w3.org/ and validating your website.
2. Have relevant links going into, and away from, your site. Adds to the relevance.
I also agree with some of the other posts, stick to basic web rules and keep it simple. No gimmicky images, just plain pics and information structured in a good way - don't go over board.
Welcome to the forum, craigkillick! 
Just to clarify what you said, an AdWords pay-per-click campaign will not make any difference to your site's ranking on Google. It will still be hard to find in the main search results while it serves out its time in the Google 'sandbox'. But you can appear at the very top of page one on the right-hand column of clickable ads. Even though only a small percentage of users will see this ad, that is still a small percentage of a lot!
Just to clarify what you said, an AdWords pay-per-click campaign will not make any difference to your site's ranking on Google. It will still be hard to find in the main search results while it serves out its time in the Google 'sandbox'. But you can appear at the very top of page one on the right-hand column of clickable ads. Even though only a small percentage of users will see this ad, that is still a small percentage of a lot!
Paolo
Lay My Hat
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Welcome to the forum, craigkillick!
Just to clarify what you said, an AdWords pay-per-click campaign will not make any difference to your site's ranking on Google. It will still be hard to find in the main search results. But you can appear at the very top of page one on the right-hand column of clickable ads. Even though only a small percentage of users will see this ad, that is still a small percentage of a lot!
Just to clarify what you said, an AdWords pay-per-click campaign will not make any difference to your site's ranking on Google. It will still be hard to find in the main search results. But you can appear at the very top of page one on the right-hand column of clickable ads. Even though only a small percentage of users will see this ad, that is still a small percentage of a lot!
Paolo
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craigkillick
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Adwords
It will make a slight difference in that Google has to acknowledge that your site exists so you should appear - but you will have little ranking power.
The problem, like you say, is that you are competing with the other millions of websites and your villa will never come to the top of the rankings based on the type of site it is. Directories, for instance, carry so much information and links that they tend to come first.
My experience of google adwords is that they are a necessary evil. You may get traffic to your site through them but you also have to pay for it. You also don't know how relevant the visitor will be.
My best advice is to incentivise people to visit your sites the traditional ways, make your presence on the search engines felt by registering and then just hammer away at making your website as relevant as possible to what you are selling. It also helps if you change the content of your site regularly.
The problem, like you say, is that you are competing with the other millions of websites and your villa will never come to the top of the rankings based on the type of site it is. Directories, for instance, carry so much information and links that they tend to come first.
My experience of google adwords is that they are a necessary evil. You may get traffic to your site through them but you also have to pay for it. You also don't know how relevant the visitor will be.
My best advice is to incentivise people to visit your sites the traditional ways, make your presence on the search engines felt by registering and then just hammer away at making your website as relevant as possible to what you are selling. It also helps if you change the content of your site regularly.